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Can I hijack this post and say CARLTON FISK FTW!!! Good Idea

And repeat what Chips said earlier......Barry who??? Bad Idea

Take all the steroids you want if you're a power lifter or body builder, but not for damn baseball. Ruth did it with hot dogs and beer.

Forum Newbie Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 41

He's a cheater, but who cares...Noone jumped on Mark McGwire for taking steroids at the time he broke the single season record. And there are other players in baseball who have taken steroids and havn't been close to breaking records. Barry Bonds still has skill, or else he wouldn't be in the MLB. Yeah the steroids played a major part in his homerun steaks, but minus that you ahve to realize that it takes more than just a hard swing to hit homeruns. And even Hank Aaron himself congratulated him. So i say if the King of the Homeruns didn't care at the time, noone else should. It was his spot that was being bumped down, And trust me A-Rod is gonna come close if not beat it anyone YANKEES FTW!!!!!

Forum Soldier Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 324

It's ok that he took roids because other ppl did it?

I can't even begin to fix your reasoning, too far gone.

Forum Newbie Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 45

To this day, Barry has yet to fail a test.

He bulked up because he got on a crazy workout and most people bulk up in their middle age (his size is still the WORST argument for him being on steroids). The average size of a baseball player is WAAAAY bigger than it used to be...list ANY of the greats, and none of them were big. Nowadays, most of them are big. That's how professional sports changed, and Barry changed with it. It's funny because I know people personally way bigger than Barry and they aren't on steroids, people act like he came out looking like a wrestler. Look at Mark McGwire compared to Barry Bonds...way different.

It's funny how you guys crucify him with no hard evidence except here-say and his size.

Steroids doesn't give you the best eye in baseball.

Barry Bonds is the greatest all around offensive player probably ever.

Until he fails a test, YES he deserves to be in the hall of fame, and YES he is the home run king.

To say anything else is going against "Innocent until proven guilty", and just plain "hating" as we kids say.

Forum Newbie Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 45

Forum Newbie Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 45

oh no looks like a-rod is gonna go thru the same thing

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070809/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_cjones_a_rod

it's a witch hunt...i can't believe how easily you people believe everything. not saying he didn't do steroids, but NONE of us can say he did either.

You my friend, are an idiot. Griffey and A-Rod are both greats and are not big at all. You can list almost every great pitcher and they aren't big.

No evidence? BALCO? Barry Bonds at the top of the list? Greg Anderson going to jail TWICE for Bonds?

Barry Bonds is not the greatest offensive player ever. That is the most biased statement in the history of sports.

Yes he is the HR king, but for how long? A-Rod is on pace to get 800+ and he will. Barry doesn't necessarily even need to be "proved guilty" the fans of baseball run baseball. And the only people who like Barry Bonds, are the ones in San Francisco.

Oh and Hank Aaron did not personally congratulate him. It was a pre-recorded video tape, which is nothing. Had it been A-Rod or Griffey breaking it, Hank would have shook their hand and congratulated them.

First off...no need calling anyone an idiot for voicing their opinion...bad form. Bad Idea

That said...McGuire wasn't crucified when he hit his 70 cause that news came out afterwards...or he'd have the same scruitny placed on him. His refusal to say either way whether or not he used them...defines what the answer actually is. If you're innocent, you profess something like that immediately...you don't dodge.

Yes Hex...alot of today's players are bigger and stronger then ever before...in most all sports actually. But, they're that way to start. They don't DOUBLE in size over their playing career. The change in his body makeup is remarkable...compared to all other athletes from his time from the start to the end of their careers. I don't think you can point to anyone who bulked up like that in their career...it's just unnatural.

Of course he's talented...as you eluded to his "eye". Steroids can't improve that. But they can bring you back faster from injury, give you unnatural strength. Steroids were not credited for giving him talent...he did have that. They gave him an unfair advantage plaing hurt and coming back faster from injuries...etc.

Besides...Hex is a Cali guy...he's gonna pull for Barry anyway. Very Happy

EVEN if he did use roids he still has to aim at the ball, catch the ball, hit the ball. roids just make it easier going over the fence u guys are noobs Razz

bonds

Forum Newbie Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 45

Does he need to fail a test? BALCO proved he took steroids. And he lied to a grand jury. That right there is enough to have him thrown out of the game. They indicted Michael Vick and Adam "Pacman" Jones in the NFL, both of them are suspended. Does Bonds get in trouble? No, because Greg Anderson took all the heat for him. Twice.

And if you look at the facts, Bud Selig didn't even want him to break the record. Barry may hold the record, and may be credited as the first one to beat it, but he beat it unnaturally and I will stand by that, as will 90% of all MLB fans.

McGwire at the time was in the clear because at the time he was hitting all those homeruns, the stuff he was supposively taking was legal. Now of course its not. I really dont hate Bonds personally, but then again i dont like him either. I mean how can you go from hitting like 49 HRs to 73 HRs. I mean sure Brady Anderson of the O's back then did it when he hit like 17 HRs and then the very next year he hit 50 and then the year after he was back down to like 18 again. Others have had seasons like that and most them were fluke seasons like Anderson had, but Bonds' 73 HR season was not a fluke. And i say that because he had always been a great HR hitter unlike Anderson and the other people like him. Like ya said Hex it hasnt been proven where its a 100% sure he was suing steroids, but its really shady and imo Bonds had to be on something that would give him the "lil extra" he needs to hit all those HRs. Before McGwire and Sosa got involved w/ their supplements/steroids/balco/corked bats, whatever, the single season HR record was one of the hardest records to break. And it should've never been broken imo the way it was because of this "steroid era" it was in. Roger Maris went through so much bs at the time he was going for the record, all you older people here who are baseball fans should kno that and for the younger baseball people here, watch that movie 61, i think its called that, about Maris.

Back on topic, the best all around player when healthy/before he had health problems was Ken Griffey Jr, i'd hate to admit, but he was. A-Rod to me now though is the closest thing to being one of the best ever, not the best because he still needs to be more clutch in tough situations and get some rings on his fingers, but if he ever does, he'll be like the Michael Jordan of basketball, which is the best ever to play their sport...like Tiger Woods will be for golf when its all said and done.

Anyway all i kno is that at least my favorite player of all time Cal Ripken Jr. and my favorite pitcher of all time Greg Maddux are HOFs or for Greg future HOF and they're awsome role models and define baseball imo.

Why do you hate to admit that Falcon? It's true. I may be sounding biased cause I'm from Seattle, but if Griffey had not been injured, he would be close to breaking the all-time HR record by now. That has been stated by ESPN countless times. He is a fantastic player no doubt. Is he the Tiger Woods of golf or the Michael Jordan of basketball? Well that's for you to decide.