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Audhumla
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:53 pm  Reply with quote
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seriously, i can't believe you actually brought up vietnam as justification for iraq; you're insane.

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And you're a stupid ass falsifying treasonous liberal, but that doesn't matter right? What matters is that I'm a Republican that is proud to be an American, not a stupid liberal who hates the country that gives them their freedoms.

I wasn't bringing it up as justification; I was bringing it up to show you that the Democrats got us into that war without getting it passed by Congress. Mind you it was a Republican who got us out of it too.

100,000 civilians are dead, BECAUSE of the terrorists. Suicide bombers? Yeah, those are terrorists, jihadists, al-Qaeda; whatever you wish to call them. And don't say Americans don't help other countries, that's like saying Bill Clinton never cheated on Hillary. You're the ignorant one here; so go watch some more CNN and become brainwashed by all the other stupid liberals.

I'm proud to say I'm an American. I'm proud to say that support the War in Iraq. I'm proud to say that I support President Bush. And I'm proud to say that I'd love to fight for my country.

This world's getting dumber by the day; and it starts with idiots like you Aud.

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Fist off guys...resorting to name calling is hardly a way to discuss a topic. It truly serves no purpose.
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AB...I too am a republican. I too...am proud to be American. But, when history is written, George Bush will go down as one of the worst leaders our nation has ever known. Bad Idea

I, and the nation, were behind him in Afghanistan. No one backed him on Iraq. Only the lies of his administration led us there after he bullied congress to back him. Still, many didn't...and justly so. AB...your grandchildren will still be paying off the nations debt caused by this war as Bush and Cheney reap the benefits of oil profits and military contracts respectively.

Bush should be put in front of a firing squad...not impeached. Twisted Evil


Just my own personal opinion guys...don't go takin my head off now. Razz

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Chips wrote:
AB...I too am a republican. I too...am proud to be American. But, when history is written, George Bush will go down as one of the worst leaders our nation has ever known. <:-l

Let's not forget that you've seen more presidents in your lifetime than most of have thus far. In my lifetime, I've only seen George H.W. Bush, Clinton, and now Bush (jr)...

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Bush should be put in front of a firing squad...not impeached. :twisted:

Agreed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:03 pm  Reply with quote
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funny you call me treasonous because I dare dissent against the current government (guess how this country was founded) when the figure your party for some ludicrous reason idolizes actually committed high treason and got away with it (hint i mean reagan, one of the biggest jokes of a president yet)

and no a fairly good portion of the 100,000 dead are from our own military mistaking civilian hospitals for "terrorist hideouts" and then leveling them, as well as the wholesale murder of civilians, not to mention the countless times we've mistaken taxi drivers and such for terrorist operatives and tortured them, holding them indefinitely without any sort of trial. blah blah blah, support the troops, but they make mistakes, and when they do, innocent people die.

i never said anything like "Americans don't help other countries" at all. Certainly we do, but denying that america has done nigh-irreperable amounts of harm to nations all around the world is insane. the CIA is practically a terrorist organization for all of the absolutely horrific s**t it has done around the world.

I'm proud to say I don't subscribe to blind nationalistic jingoism. I'm proud to say I don't support a war that has cost over $500,000,000,000 dollars, killed hundreds of thousands of people, and accomplished virtually nothing. I'm proud to say that at no point in my life have I supported Bush. And I'm proud to say I'd sooner end my life then fight in some unjust war.

in conclusion,
Execute George W. Bush, the President of the United States, for treason, war crimes, and unforgivable evil.

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I sort of do understand AB's point of view. It is ridiculously hard to fact from fiction, when there are contradictory reports that both seem legitimate. I've just conditioned myself to take anything I hear from the media with a grain of salt.

I say let the impeachment take place. You should be for this too, AB. Remember, impeachment is the movement for the president to stand trial, not to convict him. So, yeah, I'd say let Bush stand trial for these accusations. It's as close to truth/justice as you can pretty much get, bub (still nowhere near flawless, I know). But when Bush gets impeached, but is not convicted, then I guess AB is entitled to his laugh.

And if Bush does get convicted of committing these acts, admit you supported a bad guy. You're not shaming the Republican Party at all when you do this, you're doing it to the failure that shamed the party. It sounds like Chips has already come to terms with this, and you can still see that he proudly calls himself a Republican.

I am fairly confident that because of this embarrassment, the Democrats will win this year's election. Too many Republicans have become too disillusioned with the policies of Bush, and I'm sure are rightfully afraid of McCain possibly being a second Bush. What's electing a Socialist compared to having another Bush?

And I know all about being disillusioned with one's party's nominees... The Libertarian Party friggin nominated Bob Barr, who voted yes on the Patriot Act of all things. Even if he changes his mind, I'm sorry, but you don't just accidentally vote yes for the PATRIOT ACT, and suddenly make me believe you can hold up Libertarian ideals.

//off topic rant.

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pst da the only socialist running is brian moore just because obama is closer to socialist than you does not make him socialist

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Calling Reagan a joke is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. He's the greatest president of the 20th century, and that is a fact.

He got the economy back to where it was and just because he was an actor first, doesn't make him a bad politician.

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Chips wrote:
I too am a republican. I too...am proud to be American. But, when history is written, George Bush will go down as one of the worst leaders our nation has ever known. Bad Idea


I fall into this same boat. I used to try and defend him all the time, until I realized nothing he's done in the last 4 years has been close to logical.

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Execute George W. Bush, the President of the United States, for treason, war crimes, and unforgivable evil.


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Calling Reagan a joke is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. He's the greatest president of the 20th century, and that is a fact.
Um...I'd think most historians would agree that FDR was the greatest. There's a reason he served 12 years. And no Anshin...I was not alive when he was prez. Laughing

The presidency of this country has taken a few steps back with each elected official. I was only 4 years old...but I distinctly remember asking my mom why she was crying one day. She told me our president, JFK, had been shot and killed. At that age, it truly didn't register. The entire nation cried. It was a different time.

No president after him had the respect of the American people as he did. From Johnson on...just straight downhill. Sad

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Americanboy3 wrote:
Calling Reagan a joke is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. He's the greatest president of the 20th century, and that is a fact.

He got the economy back to where it was and just because he was an actor first, doesn't make him a bad politician.


actually committing treason kinda DQs you from any sort of title of greatness.

more reasons reagan sucks:
- confused things he did in movies and events that actually happened
- banned automatic weapons and enhanced the BATF and blamed democrats for it
- star wars
- ignored AIDS entirely for a long time because of gays
- supported apartheid and keeping mandela in prison (hint: this is absolutely despicable)
- cut spending on social programs so he could boost spending on the military and war on drugs
- released tons of mental hospital patients onto the streets
- iran contra (see: treason. this alone should have had him jailed)
- said vietnam was a 'noble cause'
- tripled the national debt (and you say he was good for the economy?)
- turned a trade surplus of 12 billion into a trade deficit of 100+ billion (see above)
- raised drinking age to 21
- trickle-down / reaganomics (objectively a failure of an economic system)
-publically stated that trees caused pollution
-Consulted Astrologists in making policy decisions
-Barely had 2 brain cells to rub together by the end of his second term
-pioneered the political use of the phrase: "I don't recall" which serves weaselly scumbags the world over so well to this day.
-Supported Saddam Hussien while he gassed kurds
-Afghanistan policy was instrumental in the rise of the Taliban
-Was basically an ignorant monster cloaked in a kindly old guy exterior
-"The Great communicator" Couldn't improvise answers at a press conference, he had to use a shitload of cue cards with pre-formulated answers on them and dodge anything he didn't have a cue card for.
- Gorbachev put a deal on the table for total nuclear disarmament if Reagan would give up Star Wars but Ronnie liked his lasers too much, pew pew
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/summit/archive/oct86.htm
-spent more money on military marching bands then he did the national endowment for the arts.
-birthed every lunatic demagogue on the radio or TV from limbaugh on down, only question was whether or not this was intentional
-rolled back carter's energy programs
-probably sent missives to the iranians to extend the hostage crisis to secure a hammering-point in the 1980 election
-IRAN ****ing CONTRA jesus christ this would be enough by itself
-brought right-wing evangelicals into politics
-supported marcos
-actively participated in Hollywood red scare witch-hunts
-Kicked off his presidential campaign with a speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three civil rights workers had just been murdered, by telling an all-white crowd that he "supported state's rights" and "was on their side"
-gave chemical weapons to saddam
-filled HUD with relentlessly corrupt stonewalling desk-jockeys


should i go on? learn some dang history instead of parroting what you hear at home

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I'm appalled that you think Reagan was bad; but I guess we're entitled to our opinions. And Chips one could argue for either FDR or Reagan to the same extent.

As for your list of "facts," well I'm not going to waste my time on this anymore. All I have to say is that if Obama gets elected, I'd love to see him even remotely do anything as good as Bush did these last 8 years. Sure, Bush isn't perfect, but neither is any human being ever to walk the face of the Earth. Electing Obama is going to do twice as much damage as Bush ever did; and when that happens, I'm going to laugh at all the Democrats who believed in the politician who's only strength is public speaking.

Republicans back in office in 2012 (assuming the Obamawagon wins.)

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Electing Obama is going to do twice as much damage as Bush ever did; and when that happens, I'm going to laugh at all the Democrats who believed in the politician who's only strength is public speaking.


Am I the only person who sees weakness as a positive trait in presidential candidates? The less strong they are, the less capable they are of doing stupid s**t (like Iraq), no?

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The thing is, the less strong they are, the more susceptible they will be to others with less "moral fiber", let's call it. Although, a weak stupid one, I might say is better than a strong stupid one.

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I'm Republican too, but I wouldn't begin to say Bush has been a good president, at least over the past 4 years. Look at what has happened to our economy, and our national debt, how much we've spent on war, how much the oil companies are profiting, and you can't begin to tell me the war in Iraq was solely on good intentions. While I do support Saddam out of office - I do not support the reason we went in, nor the fact that we are STILL there.
Neither Obama nor McCain gives me hope for the next 4 years (I'd sooner vote Colbert into office, at least he'd be funny). For similar reasons, I'm actually agreeing with DA - I might end up voting for the weaker candidate in this case.
America, the country supposedly of freedom, that strives to free other countries from oppressors, is the biggest empire in the world today. I think we've got enough issues as it is.

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