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This is now the general taser thread

A 56-year old schizophrenic wheelchair-bound woman was recently killed by a Taser:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20070919/lo_wkmg/14147512

She was weilding two knives and a hammer, and was attempting to hurt her family members, herself, and then police.

Forum H4xor Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 1164

aud for pres. Good Idea

The tazer was for the kids protection...believe it or not. Which would you rather have happen to you? ...

A) Tazered to the ground...then handcuffed.
B) Stomped on by 5 cops twice your size...then handcuffed.

The weapon is designed to subdue someone without having to bash their teeth in. Worked perfectly here. Cool

Yea I gotta say, the police seemed to handle that situation pretty well IMHO. Yea it sucks that it had to go down that way, but that was the best possible outcome for that kid the way he was behaving.

Forum H4xor Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 1164

you can't gang stomp a suspect, that's police brutality, and that is definately illegal. He didn't try to assault anyone, he was just trying to get away because they had no right to be on his case that seriously AND that quickly. Bad comparison sir. This is why cops make unintelligent decisions a lot of the time. They have to rely on a system based on only what they know, and proceed as such. And while it does work in some cases, it didn't work here. Cops just follow the chain of command and most of them don't take a step back and look at their unjust behaviors because they aren't allowed to. That's what this kid was trying to prove with his statement, and while I will admit that he got what he deserved in a way, it was in a very unjust and uncivil way. They didn't show him any respect, and therefore he didn't show any towards them and the situation escalated as such. The thing he forgot was that they have the power and he doesn't. And regardless of all of that, he made a statement via his actions and it was a great one at that.

The police are going to come after you when you try to run away from them. There job is to keep the peace, this guy was obviously not very peaceful. The cops chase and catch people, its the DAs job to determine if anything wrong was done. Had this guy cooperated, he wouldn't have even been arrested.

TD, if you look, they only had 2 people actually taking him outside, others were following. Until he almost broke away from them, trying to run, he wasn't being 'gang stomped'. And they had a right to escort him out of the building when he was not participating in the speech the way he was supposed to. Multiple times he was asked to ask a single question, give kerry a chance to respond, and he did not. He began to flip out over the mic being cut. The cops THEN tried to take him out of the building. They didn't cuff his hands or anything before then. All they did was lead him out of the building.
This is NO different than, say, causing a disturbance in a club, being asked to calm down, not, and then being thrown out by a bouncer. In this case the club was the the speech/building, the disturbance was him not following the way the speech was designed to go, and the bouncer was the cops.

Forum H4xor Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 1164

ok first of all chance, I was referring to what chips was talking about before, I dunno why you don't read all the posts. and 2nd of all, I'm not blind, all of the cops came out into the lobby with him.

Of course you can't gang stomp peeps. Laughing

But...if there were no cameras rolling, that kid would have taken a beating. You're correct that he didn't try to assault anyone...but, once cops grab you to escort you away, pulling away like that is resisting arrest and/or escort. They had every right to be on his case...AND...that quickly. He entered a room where a structured forum was taking place; with rules of behavior and decorum, and he made damn sure he interrupted the proceedings. There were rules to be followed and he chose to break them. He showed the lack of respect first by not complying with the rules everyone else in the room was adhering to, resisted efforts to calmly walk him away and then...wouldn't shut up and kept resisting.

Where's my tazer. Laughing

Forum Medic Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 147

The worst part is that it's a video gag the guy set up for his website. gg

actually, i read up on it, and he rushed into the room with the cops already chasing him. Laughing

meh, i think the guy just didn't take his meds that morning.

Yup exactly that.

AFTER making a disturbance in the hall he was asked to leave Peacefully he did not and when the police tried to physically escort him out (which they have every right to do) he pulled away from them. The police officers dont know what his intentions are when he pulls away. He might have had a gun, he might have had a needle with some liquid in it, or he might have tried to physically assault one of the officers or John Kerry or any number of the people in the building at the time. Resisting arrest beacuse you think you did nothing wrong doesnt make it ok to do. They are the law and their job is to protect and serve and they did just that by handling the situation with that kid the best way possible. he was making a distrurbance in the building and it could have escallated further than it did had they not stepped in. You do not know what his state of mind was/is and you dont know what he could be thinking of doing. He was the "Spark" that could have made a "Fire" and the police, in doing thier job took away the ignition source so it had no possibility of getting out of control.

Trust me I am no stranger to police and contrary to popular belief the majority of them are good cops doing their jobs. They arent all bad cops and "Tuff Guys" that like to abuse their powers and violate people rights any chance they can get. A large percentage of them are good people and good police officers.

I may agree with you on some issues TD but this I dont agree with you on and I think that your past experiences and the way you view police officers now beacuse of those experiences is blurring your opinion on the fact that this kid broke the law and the way the police handled him in a responsible manner.

Trust me I have seen the inside of a cell more times than I have fingers and I cant say once that the police that put me there did anything wrong.

And yes i do laugh at him getting tasered beacuse he brought it on himself, the same way I would laugh at a guy if he rode his bike into a brick wall and crashed. Ride a bike into a wall you get hurt, dont follow police instructions and resist arrest you get subdued its common knowledge.

This kid really sucks at making a point. He pulls a stunt like that, gets plenty of video and coverage, and all anyone cares about is how the the cops handled it. Noone even takes him serious enough to consider or care about his attempted points. I woulda been far more interested if he actually let Kerry answer his own questions. Bad Idea

Forum Newbie Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 45

The guy is an idiot, but at the same time...F The Police.